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Duration: 22:08 Recorded on December 9, 2017 In this episode, Rod responds to a defense of William Branham that was presented by Wisper Gwena, pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church, Waltham Abbey (North London), UK. Rod is joined by John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana. John is also the author of two books, “ Stone Mountain to Dallas: The Untold Story of Roy Elonza Davis” and “ Jim Jones – The Malachi 4 Elijah Prophecy”. In this episode, Rod & John discuss the following: • Personal accusations made by Pastor Gwena.

• Is there a difference between facts and the truth? • Is the research contained on the Seek The Truth and Believe The Sign websites error-free? External Links: • website • on the Believe The Sign website Music – The Cold Hard Facts by The Del McCoury Band from The Cold Hard Facts (1996) – available from. Duration: 24:31 Recorded on December 2, 2017 Subscribe: Several weeks ago, we received an email from a listener. Here is an excerpt from that email: In a nutshell, I feel like I am in the very beginning stages of “Message Recovery” terrified of attending “any church”, still struggling with fear of “damnation” and “total confusion” of who/what God is vs. The Indoctrination of the Message. Your Podcasts were my turning point.thank you so much for putting them out there.

Thank you, I wait every Sunday for a new one to be released.they are my Lifeline right now. Struggling with severe depression, but the Podcasts have helped immensely. I am looking forward to the subject of “Message Recovery, you have decided to leave.now what.where do we gowhat do we dowhere in society and the non-message church world do we fit in?” I FEEL LIKE AN ALIEN, I never felt comfortable and like I measured up or fit in at the Message Church or among the people.and felt like a person caught in between worlds outsidealways awkwardly never finding the place for meand always critical, filtering other churches against Message standards.so I just want to sit down in the middle of the street a cry.I am a lost sheep. One thing I discovered.when you push WMB out of the way.it is startling that behind him the entire time there was Christ on the Cross!!

WMB was impeding and interfering with my ability to function or having a relationship with Christ. I was too busy trying to meet the Message Criteria, and give reverence to the Message and the Prophet.which seemed to totally exclude the Simplicity of God’s Love and the Salvation Christ alone offers! We have reached out to a number of people that have left the message and asked them for their thoughts on the question posed by our listener – “ You have decided to leave.now what.where do we gowhat do we dowhere in society and the non-message church world do we fit in?” This podcast seeks to answer our listener’s question. External Links: • Find a • Find a Celebrate Recovery group • Find a Celebrate Recovery group • Find Music – One Day by Matt Redman from Glory song (2017) – available from. Duration: 35:10 Recorded on May 6, 2017 This is part 2 of the interview with former message followers, Paul & Kathy Jenkins. Paul’s father, Lonnie Jenkins, was a well known teacher in the message and Paul was also the worship leader for many years at Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio. Paul is the brother of Jeff Jenkins, who we have interviewed several times on Off The Shelf.

External Links: • What is and why do message followers suffer from it? • Facebook • BelieveTheSign – Music – Freedom by Josh Garrels from The House of Worship Project (2012) – available from. Duration: 28:09 Recorded on May 6, 2017 In this episode, Rod talks to former message followers, Paul & Kathy Jenkins. Paul’s father, Lonnie Jenkins, was a well known teacher in the message and Paul was also the worship leader for many years at Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio. Paul is the brother of Jeff Jenkins, who we have interviewed several times on Off The Shelf. External Links: • Facebook • BelieveTheSign – Music – Freedom by Josh Garrels from The House of Worship Project (2012) – available from.

Duration: 33:41 Recorded on October 15, 2017 This is the conclusion of our interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website. In this episode, John talks about, among other things: • William Branham and the Ku Klux Klan (the KKK) • William Branham and Roy Davis • William Branham and Jim Jones • The Latter Rain Movement • The Manifest Sons of God External Links: • • • website • CBC Story – Music – Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself by The Louvin Brothers from Preach The Gospel (2015) – available from.

Duration: 26:36 This is part 3 of our interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website. In this episode, John talks about, among other things: • His views on the message street preachers in London, Ontario – Steve Ravbar and Matthew Carapella. • Were William Branham’s derogatory statements only against women that were not his followers? • Would William Branham condone the type of things that Matthew Carapella and Steve Ravbar are saying and doing?

External Links: • • • website • CBC Story – Music – Try a Little Kindness by The Oak Ridge Boys from Try a Little Kindness (1974) – available from. Duration: 35:17 Recorded on October 15, 2017 In this episode, Rod talks to John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana. John is also the author of two books, “ Stone Mountain to Dallas: The Untold Story of Roy Elonza Davis” and “ Jim Jones – The Malachi 4 Elijah Prophecy”. In this episode, John talks about, among other things: • Growing up in the message (followers of William Branham refer to themselves as being “in the message”).

• How is being born into the message different from those who came into the message later in life? • Is the message a cult? • His recent interview on CBC Radio regarding the message street preachers in London, Ontario; • Are people in the “Message” isolated?

• The sub-cults of the message. External Links: • • • website • Story – Music – Questions by Matt Redman from Glory Song (2017) – available from. Duration: 24:51 Recorded on July 11, 2017 In this episode, Rod concludes his interview with Abdu Murray, North American Director of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian faith can answer the questions of the mind and the longings of the heart.

In this episode, Rod and Abdu discuss the doctrine of the Trinity including: • whether analogies are useful in understanding the Trinity: • baptism in the name of Jesus Christ; • whether a person is required to believe the doctrine of the Trinity to be considered a Christian; and • what it means to be a true follower of Jesus Christ. External Links: • • • Website of • Abdu’s (scroll down the webpage) • Books by Abdu Murray on Music – Praise the Father, Praise the Son by Chris Tomin (2008) – available from. Duration: 30:55 Recorded on July 11, 2017 In this episode, Rod continues with part 2 of his interview with Abdu Murray, North American Director with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian faith can answer the questions of the mind and the longings of the heart. In this episode, Rod and Abdu discuss the doctrine of the Trinity, including: • the biblical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity; • the logical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity; • how the doctrine of the Trinity proves God to be the Greatest Possible Being over and above a Oneness or Islamic conception of God; • the concept of persons in the Trinity and perichoresis; • Specific issues raised by Oneness Pentecostals or modalists, including: • Isaiah 9:6 • John 10:30 • John 12:45 • John 14:9; and • the charge made by modalists and Islam of tritheism. External Links: • • Website of • Abdu’s (scroll down the webpage) • Books by Abdu Murray on Music – I Believe by Charles Johnson and the Revivers from I Believe (1995) – available from.

Duration: 26:42 Recorded on July 11, 2017 In this episode of Off The Shelf, Rod talks to Abdu Murray, North American Director with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries and the author of two books, including his latest, Grand Central Question: Answering the Critical Concerns of the Major Worldviews. For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian faith can answer the questions of the mind and the longings of the heart. Abdu has spoken to diverse international audiences and has participated in debates and dialogues across the globe. He has appeared as a guest on numerous radio and television programs all over the world.

Abdu holds a BA in Psychology from the University of Michigan and earned his Juris Doctor from the University of Michigan Law School. As an attorney, Abdu was named several times in Best Lawyers in America and Michigan Super Lawyer.

Abdu is the Scholar in Residence of Christian Thought and Apologetics at the Josh McDowell Institute of Oklahoma Wesleyan University. In this episode, Rod and Abdu discuss: • Abdu’s journey from Islam to Christ; • The mission of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries; and • Is the doctrine of the Trinity inconsistent with the unity of God and the Shema of Deut 6:4 which states “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” External Links: • • Website of • Abdu’s (scroll down the webpage) • Books by Abdu Murray on Music – Doxology by Kelly Joe Phelps from Roll Away the Stone (1997) – available from.

Duration: 21:27 Recorded on June 24, 2017 Subscribe: This is part 3 of our interview with Sylvia Perkins. Sylvia attended Branham Tabernacle as a child.

She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children. She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death. She was at the opening of the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained.

She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess. Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing and why Sylvia ultimately had to leave the message. We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham.

External links: • The • • • Did Music – Stand up Stand up for Jesus – from Hymned Again by Bart Millard – Available from. Duration: 18:07 Recorded on June 24, 2017 Subscribe: This is part 2 of our interview with Sylvia Perkins. Sylvia attended Branham Tabernacle as a child. She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children.

She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death. She was at the opening of the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained. She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess.

Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing. We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham.

External links: • The • Music – I Must Tell The Truth – from I Believe by Charles Johnson and the Revivers – Available from. The easiest way to subscribe to the Off The Shelf podcast is by clicking on one of the links below on your phone. You can then subscribe to the podcast and each new episode will automatically be loaded on your phone as it is published. You can also save your favourite episodes and listen to them again. This will also allow you to listen to the podcasts when you aren’t connected to the internet. You may need to install a podcast app on your phone but the links below should also take you through that process: Please let us know if you have any problems subscribing to the podcast or have any questions. Duration: 18:41 Recorded on June 24, 2017 Subscribe: Sylvia Perkins attended Branham Tabernacle as a child.

She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children. She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death. She was at the opening of the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained. She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess. Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing.

We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham. External links: • The • Music – Amazing Grace (My Chains Are Gone) – from How Great Is Our God: The Essential Collection by Chris Tomlin – Available on. Duration: 10:29 Recorded on September 2, 2017 Did you you know that William Branham taught that some Christians were required to believe Satanic doctrine in order to be saved? This podcast outlines William Branham’s teaching on the subject with direct quotes from his sermons.

This number 10 (and the last) in our summer series of podcasts that we have entitled “ Summer Shorts”. They are only 5-10 minutes long just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about. Relevant links to this podcast • Read • Were Music – A Mighty Fortress Is Our God by Chris Rice (written by Martin Luther) – from Peace Like A River: The Hymns Project – available from. Duration: 6:44 Recorded on August 6, 2017 William Branham stated on several occasions that he had visited the graves of Muhammad, Buddha and Confucius.

We looked at the issue to determine whether William Branham actually visited these famous graves. I think you will be surprised at what we found well, maybe not if you’ve been listening to our podcasts. This podcast is number 9 in our summer series of podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They are only 5-10 minutes long just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.

Relevant links to this podcast • Read about • Read about Music – Truth by Jamestown Revival – from Utah – available from. Duration: 4:42 Recorded on August 5, 2017 William Branham stated on numerous occasions that he had traveled around the world seven times. We had a question from a listener asking if we had ever checked whether this was the case.

So we did some research to determine whether William Branham actually went around the world seven times. I think you will be surprised at what we found well, maybe not if you’ve been listening to our podcasts. This podcast is number 8 in our summer series of podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They are only 5-10 minutes long just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.

Relevant links to this podcast • Read about • Read about Music – I’ve been everywhere by Hank Snow – from The Essential Hank Snow – available from. Duration: 4:59 Recorded on July 11, 2017 William Branham stated many times that the Bible compared God’s prophets to eagles. However, he never provided one scriptural example of where this was the case. So we thought we would check out whether what he said was actually based in the Bible. I think you will be surprised at what we found well, maybe not if you’ve been listening to our podcasts.

This podcast is part 7 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They will only be 5-10 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about. Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo. Relevant links to this podcast • Read about • Wikipedia article on Music – If I had the wings of an eagle by Ziggy Marley (feat. Elizabeth Mitchell) – from Family Time – available from.

Duration: 6:13 Recorded on July 11, 2017 William Branham stated that there was significance in names name ending in H-A-M. It was also significant that Billy Graham’s name was six letters, the number of a man, but Branham was 7 letters, which was perfection. William Branham also stated that his ministry and Billy Graham’s were the only worldwide ministries of anyone with a name ending in H-A-M. But he obviously did not know about Frank Boreham. This podcast is part 6 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They will only be 5-10 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about. Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant links to this podcast • The importance of a • Frank Boreham Music – I Was Wrong (Acoustic) by Arizona – available from. Duration: 6:05 Recorded on July 10, 2017 In this podcast, Bryan & Rod provide scriptures which specifically require message believers to provide answers to the questions that researchers into the message have been publicly asking for the past 5 years. This podcast is part 5 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They will only be 5-10 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about. Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant links to this podcast • Our to followers of William Branham • Our to followers of William Branham Music – Questions by Gentleman & Ky-Mani Marley, from the album – Conversations – available from. Duration: 9:50 Recorded on July 13, 2017 We have been unable to find a single occurrence where we have a clear prophecy recorded on tape that was later clearly fulfilled. This is a test for anyone that is a follower of the message of William Branham. Did William Branham make any REAL “before the fact” prophecies in any of his tapes? THIS IS THE CRITICAL QUESTION – Can you provide us with an unambiguous prophecy made by William Branham that was recorded publicly before the fact (i.e. We can verify on a tape) and that was later fulfilled in a clear manner? Surely, somewhere between 1946 and 1965, there is at least one clear prophecy that was made and fulfilled.

We will publish any such prophecy and its fulfillment on our website. Surely somewhere on a tape between 1947 and 1965, there is a prophecy that he recorded before the event that was later clearly fulfilled. However, to date, no one has brought us such a prophecy and we have been unable to find a single one.

This podcast is part 4 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They will only be 4-5 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about. Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo. Relevant links to this podcast • Our to followers of William Branham • Our to followers of William Branham • • The • The • The • The • The • Music – I’ve Searched for Gold by Delirious?, from the album – The Cutting Edge Years – 20th Anniversary Edition – available from. Duration: 6:05 Recorded on July 13, 2017 What do you get when you add William Branham to Jesus?

Is it the Gospel that Paul preached? Or is it something different? William Branham stated that “ the Word in the days of the apostles does not work in this day.” Is that what Paul preached? This podcast is part 3 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They will only be 4-5 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.

Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo. Relevant Links to this podcast • Did William Branham preach? Music – Nobody Else Like You by Andrae Crouch, from the album – Mercy – available from. Duration: 7:37 Recorded on July 1, 2017 One of our listeners informed us of a recent comment made by the pastor of a message church in Beaufort, South Carolina.

This pastor labeled those who dared challenge William Branham as “ding dongs”. But was it the case that no one dared challenge William Braham when he was alive? Find out what actually happened to those who challenged William Branham. We also include a sneak preview of an upcoming interview with Sylvia Perkins in September. This podcast is part of our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “ Summer Shorts”.

They will only be 4-5 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about. Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo. Relevant Links to this podcast • A • A request for •? Music – Ding Dong by The Ding Dongs, from the album – Johnny Otis Presents Eldo Records Vol. 2 Featuring Sugarcane Harris & Little Julian Herrera – available from. Duration: 4:03 Recorded on July 1, 2017 For July and August, Bryan and Rod are doing a series of short podcasts that they are calling “ Summer Shorts”. They will only be 4-5 minutes just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about before.

Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo. William Branham wearing “women’s underneath clothes” in South Africa William Branham stated that when a man wore shorts, he was wearing a “woman’s underneath clothes”, but don’t men were shorts for underwear as well? Could it be that William Branham didn’t wear any underwear? In this podcast, we look at William Branham’s condemnation of men wearing shorts and his apparent hypocrisy in wearing shorts himself. Relevant Links to this podcast • Detailed information on Music – Summertime, Summertime by The Jamies, from the album – Radio Hits of the ’50s – available from. Duration: 20:57 Recorded on May 28, 2017 Emily Arndt grew up in the message in Wisconsin but never heard the good news of Jesus Christ until she was 21 years of age.

Emily became a veterinary technician and is currently living and serving with the Christian Veterinary Mission in Kampala, Uganda, East Africa. She is Assistant Clinician Facilitator in the surgical department of Uganda’s only veterinary college. She works under a missionary veterinarian from the UK and also assists the Africa Center for Apologetics Research, who work to train believers for the defense of the faith, and mobilize Christians for the neglected but essential task of cult evangelism. Relevant Links to this podcast • • • • Music – Under African Skies by Paul Simon, from the album – Graceland (25th Anniversary Deluxe Edition) – available from. Duration: 20:57 Recorded on May 28, 2017 Emily Arndt grew up in the message in Wisconsin but never heard the good news of Jesus Christ until she was 21 years of age. Emily became a veterinary technician and is currently living and serving with the Christian Veterinary Mission in Kampala, Uganda, East Africa. She is Assistant Clinician Facilitator in the surgical department of Uganda’s only veterinary college.

She works under a missionary veterinarian from the UK and also assists the Africa Center for Apologetics Research, who work to train believers for the defense of the faith, and mobilize Christians for the neglected but essential task of cult evangelism. Links to topics discussed with Emily • • • • Music – Africa by Johnny Clegg & Juluka & Soweto African Choir, from the album – The Best of Johnny Clegg – Juluka & Savuka – available from. Duration: 15:00 Recorded on May 28, 2017 Emily Arndt grew up in the message in Wisconsin but never heard the good news of Jesus Christ until she was 21 years of age. Emily became a veterinary technician and is currently living and serving with the Christian Veterinary Mission in Kampala, Uganda, East Africa.

She is Assistant Clinician Facilitator in the surgical department of Uganda’s only veterinary college. She works under a missionary veterinarian from the UK and also assists the Africa Center for Apologetics Research, who work to train believers for the defense of the faith, and mobilize Christians for the neglected but essential task of cult evangelism.

Relevant Links • • Music – Leaning on the Everlasting Arms by Ladysmith Black Mambazo, from the album – Two Worlds One Heart – available from. Duration: 34:04 Recorded on May 14, 2017 Jeff Jenkins, pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 35 years, discusses the 1963 Arizona Cloud with host, Rod Bergen in part 3 of their interview. Some of the questions they discuss include: • Have those the criticize our cloud research actually looked at it? • What does numerology have to do the cloud? Is numerology rooted in paganism? • Did the cloud move towards Sunset Mountain?

• Were some of William Branham’s visions fabricated? • What is Jesus Christ doing in the world today? • The Parable of the Prodigal Son – Are message believers akin to the elder brother? • “It’s not the power of your faith but the object of your faith that saves you.” • What is biblical modesty? • Was William Branham under a Nazarite vow? • Was William Branham’s teaching on alcohol biblical? Articles referred to on the podcast (click on the links): • Video – • The • The • “” by Rebekah Branham Smith ( Only Believe Magazine) • • Wikipedia article on • Google search – Music – Uncloudy Day by The Staple Singers, from the album – Top 50 Classics – The Very Best of the Staple Singers Early Years – Posts navigation.